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Maoist supreme commander Mupalla Laxman Rao, alias Ganapathi, responds to Open's questionnaire. An unabridged version of his written responses
Maoist supreme commander Mupalla Laxman Rao, alias Ganapathi, responds to Open's questionnaire. An unabridged version of his written responses
At 60, the Maoist supreme commander Mupalla Laxman Rao alias
Ganapathi has held the reins of the CPI (Maoist) since early 90s after
taking over from legendary Maoist leader Kondapalli Seetharamaiah. Under
his leadership, the party has grown many fold, prompting New Delhi to
call it India’s biggest internal security threat. No one even knew how
Ganapathi looked like till a video of his addressing the party cadre
surfaced a few years ago. The science graduate who holds a degree in
education as well was a teacher in Andhra Pradesh’s Karimnagar district
when he joined the Maoist movement. Probably the most wanted man in
India today, he is known to shift bases regularly, and very few even the
Maoists have access to him. Last year, he gave a rare interview to
Open’s Rahul Pandita. Recently, Rahul spent a few days at a Maoist base
in Dandakaranya, where he left a detailed questionnaire for Ganapathi.
This time the Maoist leader responded in writing. Here, we offer the
entire unabridged interview where Ganapathi talks about senior Maoist
leader Azad’s death, Operation Green Hunt, Rahul Gandhi’s role in
Vedanta, Ayodhya judgement, CPI (Maoist)’s structure, killings of
paramilitary personnel, allegations of sexual exploitation of women
cadre and prospects of talks with the Indian government.
Open: Senior Maoist leader Azad’s death is a big blow to the Maoist movement. Do you think the CPI (Maoist) can overcome this loss?
Ganapathi: True, our party has suffered a severe
backlash with the death of Comrade Azad. Azad was one of the topmost
leaders in our party. He has been leading the Indian revolution since a
long time. In our country, People’s War is intensifying with each
passing day. With the aid and support of imperialists, particularly the
American imperialists, the Indian exploiting ruling classes are trying
to suppress the revolutionary movement and are carrying on ruthless
atrocities in an unprecedented severe manner. In this war between the
people and the ruling classes, the enemy had particularly concentrated
on comrades like Azad who are leading the revolution and schemed to
murder them. It is as part of that conspiracy that comrade Azad was
caught and killed in the most brutal and cowardly manner. The Home
minister Chidambaram, who is leading from the forefront the ‘War on
People’ launched by Sonia-Manmohan-Chidambaram gang, central
intelligence agencies and Andhra Pradesh SIB (Special Intelligence
Branch) are directly responsible for this gruesome murder.
Comrade Azad was leading the entire urban movement on behalf of our
Central Committee and was also looking after political propaganda, party
periodicals, party education and other such crucial responsibilities.
He was a very reliable mass leader. He maintained close relations with
many comrades at various levels and with the revolutionary masses. In
the midst of severe repression, he worked selflessly and unflinchingly
in spite of the many risks involved. It is under such circumstances that
the enemy came to know about his whereabouts somewhere and could catch
him by laying in wait.
In July, Azad was to go to Dandakaranya. He was to participate in the
political education training program planned for the party leadership
cadres there. He had a contact with the Dandakaranya comrades in Nagpur
city on July 1. But he and a journalist named Hemchand (Hemchandra
Pandey) who was traveling with him were caught even before they reached
the contact place. Both of them were taken to Adilabad forests and were
killed the same night. Those who have seen his dead body said that they
seemed to have given him some sedative injection as soon as they caught
him. This means that the enemy had caught him in a planned manner with
the clear aim of killing him. They killed Hemchand Pandey too so that
the truth about his murder doesn’t come out. Both their bodies were
thrown in the Jogapur forests in the Wankidi mandal of Adilabad district
and a fake encounter story was concocted as always.
Entire people along with our Party condemned in one voice this fake
encounter and comrade Azad’s murder. Many revolutionary parties,
democratic and civil rights organizations had demanded judicial enquiry
on this fake encounter. Intellectuals, journalists, writers and students
from many states along with those in Andhra Pradesh had accused that
the Central and state governments were responsible for Azad’s murder.
Many wrote articles and gave statements. Thousands attended the funeral
procession of comrade Azad which was held in Hyderabad on July 4th. Many
Maoist parties from all over the world had condemned the murder of
comrade Azad and written letters to our CC (Central committee) hailing
his services to the Indian revolution. On this occasion, I send my
revolutionary greetings and gratitude to all these organizations and
individuals on behalf of our CC. It is such democratic and revolutionary
consciousness which would help sustain people’s movements.
Azad was attracted to the revolutionary movement while he was
studying in the Warangal Regional Engineering College in 1972. Azad who
was exceptionally brilliant in his studies had played a dynamic role in
the revolutionary movement too. He played a role in the formation of the
Radical Students Union (RSU) in 1974. He was elected as the state
president of RSU in 1978. He was one of the founders of the All India
revolutionary student’s movement and guided it from its inception in
1985. He played a key role in conducting a seminar on Nationality
Question in the then Madras city in 1981. Later he took up the
responsibility of building the revolutionary movement in Karnataka and
build up the Maoist party in Karnataka for the first time. He attracted
many comrades like Saketh Rajan into the party. When opportunistic
elements tried to split the party in 1985 and in 1991, comrade Azad had
played a crucial role in keeping the party united and strong and in
defeating their opportunist politics with a proletarian outlook. He
worked tirelessly for twenty years as a CC member and Politburo member
from 1990 till now. We cannot separate Azad’s life from the
revolutionary movement’s history of the past forty years. He fulfilled
the responsibility of the party spokesperson since three years as ‘Azad’
in the most excellent and exemplary manner. He used his intellect and
sharp pen outstandingly in fighting back the ‘War on People’ led by the
Chidambaram gang. He stood as the voice of the people against the rulers
and exploiters. In the development of the party’s political line, in
the development of the party, people’s army and mass organizations, in
extending the movement, in the emergence of new democratic power organs
and in all the victories won, Azad’s ideological, political work and
practice played a key role. Unflinching commitment in face of any odds
and during the ebb and flow of the movement, great sacrificing nature,
selflessness, simple living, indefatigable work for the revolution and
for the interests of the people, astounding study, study of changing
phenomena in the society from time to time, being with the people always
are some of the great proletariat ideals established by Comrade Azad.
Though he is no more, it is undeniable that he would serve as a
revolutionary role model to every revolutionary and particularly to the
youth, students and intellectuals.
It is true that it would be very difficult to fulfill the loss
because comrade Azad’s life has been completely intertwined with the
advancement of the revolutionary movement. He was a great revolutionary
who was steeled in the ups and downs of the movement. Revolutionary
movements give birth to leaders in this manner. In turn, these leaders
lead the revolutionary movements down the path of victory. The sacrifice
of many leaders is also inevitable in the revolutionary movement. The
very conditions which give birth to the revolutionary movements and help
its advancement would give birth to its leadership too. This has been
proven repeatedly in the world revolutionary history. So the material
conditions which are favorable for the rapid advancement of the
revolutionary movement in our country today would give birth to
thousands of leaders like comrade Azad. The ideological-political and
practical work done by comrade Azad and the communist ideals he
established have created the base for such an eventuality. The martyrdom
of a Surapaneni Janardhan had placed an ideal in front of many comrades
like Azad. Likewise many more revolutionaries would be born by taking
the sacrifice of Azad as an ideal. They would lead the Indian
revolution. The enemy could eliminate the physical presence of Azad but
it would be impossible to stop the ideas he had spread in the party and
among the people from turning into a material force.
In our history though we had lost important leaders many times and
had faced many ups and downs, we had always stood up again and could
advance the movement. We are still attracting educated cadres into our
party from various parts of our country. We are confident that we would
be able to fill the void created by Azad’s death by training them up
well in practice. The ruling classes are ecstatic that they had broken
the jar of knowledge by killing Azad. But those fools do not understand
that thousands of Azads would be born from the land where that knowledge
had been spilled. Azad had haunted the ruling classes with his
political attacks when he was alive. Now even after his death he is
haunting them. The ruling classes startle at the very mention of his
name.
Before the death of Azad too, we had lost important leadership
comrades in fake encounters and many more had been arrested. These
losses are heavy too. But we would definitely overcome these losses and
would definitely advance the revolutionary movement firmly.
Open: After Azad’s death, is the CPI (Maoist) still willing to engage in a dialogue with the government?
Ganapathi: In fact, you should put this question to
Chidambaram and Manmohan Singh. For the past one and half year, comrades
Azad, Kishenji and I have been stating our party’s stand regarding
talks a number of times. The government has been hiding the endless
brutal violence it had been perpetuating on the people and has been
announcing each time that talks would be held only if Maoists abjure
violence. Chidambaram has been repeatedly shouting these words from the
roof top. Keeping in view the war declared on the people and the
difficulties they are facing due to it, Azad had continued declaring
till the end that our party would be ready for simultaneous cease fire
if the government is ready for it. His intention was to lessen the
travails of the people to any possible extent. He mentioned the same
demand in the letter written to Swami Agnivesh. Chidambaram and Manmohan
Singh had not only killed him in a conspiratorial manner but are
shamelessly performing the same charade once again. The fact is that the
government doesn’t feel any actual need for holding talks. If the peace
wished by intellectuals, democrats and the people is to be established,
then the most meaningless thing would be to demand that the
counter-violence by people should be stopped while the government
continues with its killing spree. When Chidambaram announced that
Maoists should stop violence for 72 hours and Kishenji responded by
giving a time of 72 days, Chidambaram’s answer was to target Kishenji
and to intensify the attacks in order to kill him. Azad who had written
the letter to Agnivesh was targeted and killed. As part of Operation
Green Hunt nearly one lakh paramilitary forces and three lakh state
forces have been deployed. Of these the major forces are Special Forces.
Every day, every hour and every minute these forces are perpetuating
countless atrocities on the people. They are targeting the people and
democrats who are opposing this and putting them in jails under UAPA and
other draconian laws of the states. Except for the reactionaries and
their stooges in the media, nobody else is supporting this war on people
in our country. Even if there are a few individuals who support it, it
is not because they know the facts but because they innocently believe
the false propaganda of the government. We feel that there is absolutely
no conducive situation for holding talks now.
People like Agnivesh are asking us not to retreat from the dialogue
process and to come forward for talks even after the cold-blooded murder
of comrade Azad. We want to ask them if they would be able to stop such
conspiracies and plots the government is hatching to kill our party
leaders. Doubtless, comrade Azad was killed by the government in a
conspiracy. The post-mortem and forensic reports too prove this beyond
doubt. So we request all democrats, peace-loving intellectuals and human
rights’ organizations to come forward with the firm demand that
judicial enquiry should be conducted on Azad’s murder.
It is crystal clear that there is no conducive atmosphere for talks.
In spite of this we request the people and democrats to demand the
government to prove its commitment towards the process of talks by
coming forward to implement the following steps.
1. Stop Operation Green Hunt. Withdraw the paramilitary forces. If
the government stops its offensive on the people, then the
counter-offensive of the people would also stop. As many intellectuals
are saying, if the offensive of the government doesn’t take place then
there would be no need for the people to resist.
2. Ours is a political party like many other parties in this country
and the world. Our party has an ideological and military line and aim
and correct, clear-cut policies on matters relating to culture, caste,
gender, nationality, ecology etc. Even according to the laws formulated
by these ruling classes, democratic rights would apply to our party. So
the ban on our party should be lifted. Ban on our mass organizations
should be lifted. Absolute democratic opportunities should be created
for mass mobilization. Only in conditions where we could work
democratically, we can come forward for talks.
3. In Andhra Pradesh, comrade Riyaz who had participated in talks
with the government in 2004 was caught and murdered after torturing him
brutally. Others who participated in talks were targeted and attempts
were made to assassinate them. Now comrade Azad who was working to
facilitate the process of talks was murdered. So, it is not possible to
believe the government and send underground comrades for talks.
Therefore if the government releases our leadership comrades from jails,
then they would directly represent our party in the talks.
So, you people should think about these three demands and place them
before the government. We want to make it clear once again that any
questions regarding talks should be put to the government first and not
to us.
GK Pillai, Prakash Singh, Chidambaram and such likes are saying that
we would come into line only if pressure is built up on us through
intensification of fascist military offensive on our party and
massacring the people. They are living in a fools’ paradise. Building
pressure, creating illusions in the name of talks, deceiving and
destroying the party - this is the strategy of the government. In fact,
our party is fighting for peace too. They believe only in suppression
and they are incompetent in facing us politically and ideologically.
People are fighting under the leadership of our party with the lofty aim
of establishing permanent peace by ending the exploitation, oppression,
brutal suppression and violence in our country and in the whole human
society. We see the issue of ‘talks’ and ‘peace’ as part of class
struggle too. When class struggle intensifies, it would be in an armed
form. In other circumstances it would be conducted in peaceful methods
too. So it is completely false that our party would come for talks if
pressure is built up.
And then, a false propaganda is being conducted through the media
that there are differences in our party regarding talks and that they
are mainly on the lines of erstwhile MCCI and erstwhile People’s War.
This is hundred percent false. This is nothing but false propaganda by
the enemy to create doubts in peoples’ minds about our party to carry on
their aims. Our Unity Congress has taken a clear stand on the matter of
talks. The struggle between correct ideas and wrong ideas is a
continuous process in the party. We would solve our differences of
opinion by abiding the principle of democratic centralism and in the
light of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. This would only lead to the
development of the party. We achieved great unity with the merger of the
two parties. Now any discussions or conflict of ideas which takes place
in the party would be in the form of ideological and political
discussions in a united party and not in the form of differences between
erstwhile MCCI and erstwhile CPI (ML) (People’s War). We categorically
state that the differences would never ever take the form of conflicts
before the merger.
Open: But the government outrightly denies the existence of Operation Green Hunt!
Ganapathi: It is not just us who are saying that the
government had declared a war on the people. All the people are saying
so in one voice. All the people of the areas where this war is going on
are saying so. All the democratic organizations, progressive forces and
democrats of our country are saying very clearly that government is
carrying a war on the people and are condemning it. The government is
carrying on war on people and is blatantly lying that it is not the
case. While Longkumer, Kalluri and Viswaranjan (senior police officers
of Chhattisgarh) announce that the Operation Green Hunt is going on, on
the other hand Chidambaram shamelessly declares that there is no such
thing. It is increasingly getting exposed how terrible, how cruel
fascist act this Green Hunt is and how dreadfully it is being carried
on. In fact, in the various states where Maoist movement is present,
nearly one lakh paramilitary forces are deployed. If we look at the
number of police forces deployed in 9, 10 states against our movement it
would be nearly three to four lakhs. What is the reason for deploying
such a huge contingent of forces? What are these forces doing on a daily
basis? Why are they increasing carpet security and construction of base
camps, special training schools and jungle warfare schools? Why is the
police budget of each state increased to such huge amounts and so
rapidly? Why did the government release a package of thirteen and a half
thousands of crores of rupees at once? Why huge sum of over one
trillion rupees was allotted for internal security? Why are the central
and state governments spending thousands of crores of rupees annually
with the evil design of eliminating our movement? Why is the government
carrying on mopping up campaigns in our strong areas like Chhattisgarh,
Jharkhand, Bihar, Odisha, Maharashtra, North Andhra and North Telangana?
Mopping up means destroying everything. Anybody can be killed,
arrested, missed, raped and property, houses, harvest and everything can
be destroyed. All this is nothing but fascist rule.
It is as part of this war that the enemy is concentrating on our
leadership and killing them in the most brutal manner and putting them
in jails by arresting them in an undemocratic and illegal manner. The
government has chosen armed repression as the main form and carrying on
this war. However, in support of this it is carrying on the offensive in
all other spheres, i.e., political, ideological, psychological,
cultural spheres in a multi-pronged attack.
That is why the people are consolidating themselves under our party
leadership with a clear strategy, intensifying the people’s war and
establishing a new political power, new economy and new culture as an
alternative to the present rule of the exploiting classes. Under our
party’s leadership our PLGA (the guerilla army), our new power organs
and people are fighting a life and death struggle against MoUs worth
billions of rupees which the central and state governments had signed
with MNCs and big comprador corporate houses in many states such as
Orrisa, Bengal, Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh
etc. That is why, people are saying that this callous government is
lying when it says that this is not a war. People, democrats and
revolutionary forces are strongly and unitedly opposing and equally
strongly fighting back the war on people which the government is
intensifying day by day. Democratic forces, anti-imperialist forces and
revolutionary proletariat all over the world are also strongly opposing
and protesting this war on the people waged by the ruling classes of our
country.
I want to clearly state one thing here. This war on the people is a
brutal war launched by the government to suppress our just movement.
This is an unjust war politically. This war by the ruling classes is
carried on with a clear political aim. This would permanently continue
the exploitation and oppression of the people. The self-defence war
waged by the people also has a clear political aim. We are fighting with
the aim of establishing a new society by destroying the exploitive and
oppressive system. These two aims are completely at the opposite poles.
At present revolutionary war is being waged in our country. The rulers
are waging counter-revolutionary war against this revolutionary war.
Both of these are seriously confronting each other. They represent the
interests of two completely opposite classes.
Firstly, we want to fight back this war politically. The political
aim of our resistance war is very clear. Depending on how deeply the
vast masses understand this, how much they consolidate themselves, how
much they arm themselves, we will be able to end this war as soon as
possible. We are striving hard for the same. That is why we are fighting
the enemy in a multi-pronged manner in all spheres.
Open: The government is repeatedly asking you to
abjure violence. But your party hasn’t stopped attacking police
personnel or damaging government property. In the background of your
recent attacks at Tadimetla (Dantewada), Kongera (Narayanpur), Silda
(West Bengal) and Lakhisarai (Jharkhand), your critics say that you only
know how to respond militarily.
Ganapathi: Our central leadership has clearly stated
our stand many times on this issue. I will do so one more time. It is
nothing but a big deception and charade by the government to ask the
people to abjure violence while the state continues its violence. It is
violating its own laws and is massacring the people. So it is very
necessary that every democrat and any politically conscious person
questions the government on this and demands that it stop the violence
and war on the people. They should demand that it is the government
which should abjure violence. When the government says that we are
practicing violence, it is just like a thief shouting ‘thief, thief’. It
is trying to divert attention from the real issue by doing so.
People whose consciousness has risen would not sit quiet and suffer
these attacks carried on with the aim of looting their resources and to
turn them into permanent slaves using the government mercenary armed
forces. They would resist them by arming themselves. All the members of
our people’s guerilla army are none other than masses who have armed
themselves voluntarily. These masses who had been exploited and
oppressed like slaves since generations have understood the laws of
historical development of society and are fighting by arming themselves.
Our party is repeatedly making this clear – there is only one way for
the people to achieve their liberation and that is the armed way. It
means arming themselves, forming themselves into an army and waging an
armed struggle. When crores of people of our country increase their
political consciousness and build up a vast, strong army and when this
army fights effectively, it would be possible to put an end to this
exploitative rule. The soon this happens, the better for the people.
That is why our party gives a call to the youngsters of this country
every year on the occasion of the anniversary of the formation of our
PLGA to arm themselves. This call is increasingly spreading widely among
the people. The attacks carried on recently by our people’s army under
the leadership of the party and with the active support of the people at
Tadimetla (Mukaram), Silda, Lakhisarai, Kongera etc., are all military
attacks. Who is anxious about these attacks? Is it the ruling classes
and its mercenaries or the people? People are celebrating each occasion
of a successful raid like a festival. Each such attack is giving a
political message in a practical manner and showing them the path of
liberation. The people understand this exactly in this manner. On the
contrary seeing all these, the ruling classes are trembling with fear.
However, people who do not understand our movement and those who are
not clear about it are anguished about the losses on both sides. We can
understand their anguish. But the people cannot stop their war and
resistance just because they are anguished. What they should understand
is why is such an intense war going on? Why are hundreds of people
participating in each attack? Where are we getting the active support of
the people? Why are we getting it? If they try to understand this it
would become clear. Then they would realize the need for such big
attacks, more such big attacks and the need for more such attacks to
take place more frequently. Then even they would celebrate whenever such
attacks take place. They would also wish whole heartedly that such
attacks should take place. But enemies of the people would always oppose
them and they would resort to bigger attacks on the people in a more
reactionary manner. They would foolishly choose suppression as the only
way and would be hated by the people. As a result, they would again
become victims of bigger attacks by the people.
As to the question if our attacks are facilitating the deployment of
army - if people do not fight back, if they silently bow their heads and
suffer exploitation and oppression which are going on since centuries,
then there is no need even for police and paramilitary, leave alone the
army. Then there would be no need for the ruling classes to carry on
attacks too. As people have gained consciousness and have understood the
real story behind exploitation and oppression, the fraud of
parliamentary system and fake democracy, as they are fighting for land
to the genuine peasants and for genuine democracy for the people, the
rulers are resorting to serious suppression fearing that their
foundations are being shaken. These fools who do not realize that their
policies would only lead to an intensification of the people’s
resistance, are making all preparations to deploy the army. In fact, the
army had planned for counter-revolutionary Salwa Judum military
campaign during Vajpayee’s rule when Advani was the home minister. The
home ministry approved it. The Congress which came to power after
Vajpayee’s government was toppled at the centre and the BJP which came
to power in place of Congress in Chhattisgarh implemented this decision.
From then onwards, the army has been very actively using all its
commands (Northern, Central, Southern, Western and Eastern), has formed
special structures in all of them and has been giving all kinds of
advices to the state police departments through them. It formulated the
strategy for the war on people and is providing all kinds of training,
intelligence, technology and deployment plans to the central home
ministry. It applied LIC policy formulated by the imperialists to
suppress the Maoist movement in the concrete conditions of India and is
implementing it with its own characteristic features and with increasing
intensity. At present the army is not directly participating in attacks
carrying guns. But army officers, some specialists and intelligence
officers are directly giving guidance to the counter-guerilla operations
in our strong areas. This has been happening since three, four years.
So it is not true that they would be deploying the army because of us
doing some attacks. They would deploy the army as part of their evil
design to suppress the peoples’ struggles. Counter-insurgency forces are
built inside the army for this purpose. They are building new
cantonments, air-bases and helipads, as if on the borders, on a war
footing. They are restructuring the whole state system in accordance
with their counter-insurgency policies. This means that the rulers had
made all kinds of preparations to perpetuate unprecedented level of
atrocities, massacres and destruction on the people of our country. Our
party feels that all revolutionary parties, democratic organizations and
intellectuals, nationality liberation organizations, anti-imperialist
patriotic organizations and the entire Indian people should realize this
and resist this actively and intensely without any delay. The people of
our movement areas are also thinking in similar terms and are hoping
for it.
It is true that the deployment of the army would lead to more
violence on the poor and the adivasis and would lead to greater loss of
lives. When people are fighting in self-defence it is the exploiters and
their stooges who constitute just five percent of the population that
are suffering casualties. But in the violence perpetuated by the state,
it is vast masses of oppressed people who are facing losses. People who
are in the form of PLGA, the Maoist party, mass organizations and
Janathana Sarkars are losing their lives. So one should understand this.
When ordinary citizens and adivasis are suffering losses on such a
large scale, one should firstly question as to why this is happening? It
doesn’t serve any purpose to make confused arguments, either innocently
or deceivingly, that innocent people are dying. In this background of
loss of lives, the oppressed people and the vast masses are putting a
straight question to everybody – are you on our side or on the side of
the rulers? It means there is no neutral ground left in between. So we
request all those who express anguish about loss of lives to rethink in
the background of this question.
On this occasion I want to bring some things to your notice. On June
12th, 2,000 state police and central paramilitary forces had attacked a
political camp being held by our party’s Eastern Regional Bureau in
Korhat forest of Jharkhand. Cobra forces, BSF and Jharkhand STF were
involved in this attack. Three Air Force helicopters were used. Though
the government said that 2,000 forces were involved, in fact more forces
were involved. There were only two guerilla companies of our PLGA in
that area. Our weapons were inferior. What was the reason for thousands
of government forces to carry on this massive attack on our party and
PLGA which are in that position? Is this war or not? Why are they hiding
the glaring fact that this is a war? Why did they have to wage this
war? Since the attack was done by mercenary forces, since it was done
for the interests of a few exploiters, whether it was the commandos or
Special Forces that had attacked, could not withstand the heroic
resistance of our guerillas. Our comrades who have high political
consciousness and sacrificing nature have fought back this attack
bravely. In our counter-attack some Cobras have died and more were
injured too. But the officers who led this attack do not even have the
guts to announce how many of them were injured and how many had died.
They are afraid that if the facts are announced, the morale of their
forces would come down.
Between 25th and 27th of September, again in Jharkhand, the
government forces attacked on a huge scale, a political camp being
conducted by our Eastern Regional Bureau in Saranda forest with
information. The police and paramilitary higher officials had themselves
announced that five thousand (equivalent to a regiment) troops were
deployed and helicopters were pressed into service. In fact, the number
of troops which attacked would be much more. So one can understand how
big a war the government is waging. What would you call this if not war?
Once again, why are they hiding the fact that it is a war even after
attacking at a regiment level? Would they perhaps agree when they attack
with a division level force? On whom are they waging this war? Here
too, like in Korhat, our comrades bravely retaliated this enemy attack.
In Korhat comrade David lay down his life. In Saranda too a comrade was
martyred. The enemy forces faced more losses. But to hide this fact,
they resorted to false propaganda that three of their men were killed
and ten to twelve Maoists were killed, huge quantities of weapons and
other material were seized and training camps were destroyed by them.
Under the guidance of US imperialists, the number one enemy of the
world people and taking the help of Israel, one of the cruelest
governments of the world and a stooge of US, the Indian government is
waging this war. Whatever the government may say, how much ever Sonia,
Manmohan and Chidambaram gang and their boot-licking intellectuals may
lie, the massive attacks in Korhat and Saranda were nothing but war. We
are also candidly and clearly announcing that all our attacks have been
carried out as part of our war of self-defence. Ordinary people are
facing huge losses in the unjust war waged by the government. So we are
once again appealing to all people to oppose and resist this unjust war.
Open: Your critics also say that the Maoists are
not sincere about people’s issues and they are not bothered about
people’s welfare and that their only aim is to overthrow the
democratically elected government using armed force and establish
communist rule. How do you justify that?
Ganapathi: The ruling classes are not at all morally
qualified to hurl accusations against Maoists, who are sacrificing
their lives for the people or to comment on their concern and commitment
regarding people’s interests, people’s welfare and people’s
development. Our aim is to overthrow this ‘democracy’ and ‘parliamentary
rule’ which are nothing but means for the dictatorship of the feudals
and comprador bureaucratic bourgeoisie and which stand in complete
opposition to 95% of the population’s interests, using armed force and
to establish new people’s power. We feel it is wonder of the wonders to
say that these elections and parliament are sacred and that the present
rule is the highest form of democratic rule!
We are telling the people to overthrow this dictatorial government
and build a government of their own which is genuine democracy of the
four classes, i.e., workers, peasants, urban middle class and national
bourgeoisie. People are consolidating themselves and fighting for it.
Anybody who knows the ABC of politics would know this. But the rulers
are saying that the constitution and parliament are sacred and above
class interests. This dictatorial and bourgeois parliament and state
machinery which they had established by colluding with the imperialists
would serve none else than those classes. They may be sacred for those
classes but they are a big menace for the people. So it is their birth
right to pull them down. It is their democratic right. They should
establish a genuine democratic political system which constitutes new
legislative bodies and a new constitution.
And, we are not the ones who are obstructing development. It is the
ruling classes who are doing so. People are performing agricultural
tasks while fighting back the horrible violence and destruction
perpetuated by fascist gangs like the Salwa Judum, police and
paramilitary in Dandakaranya. The militia is doing sentry in defence
near the fields and reaping the harvests. The People’s Liberation
Guerilla Army is safeguarding the harvest of the people. The mercenary
forces of the government are attacking such units and killing them. The
government forces are wreaking havoc in the adivasi areas by destroying
their property, burning homes and whole villages, seizing hens, pigs,
cattle and what not from the hapless poor people, destroying the fields
and burning the harvest. This enormous destruction is the development
policy of the rulers. Here, it is crystal clear that who are the bitter
enemies of the people's welfare.
Of course, we are calling upon the people to overthrow this unholy
state. We are calling upon the people to destroy this menace of the
people and to liberate themselves. Only through this liberation struggle
the people would be able to establish new power and be able to achieve
all-round development with an alternative line in all spheres. The
development we are talking of is definitely not the one dictated by the
IMF and the World Bank and also not the development policy proposed by
Ahluwalias, Rangarajans, Manmohan Singhs, Chidambarams and Pillais. The
development policy we are proposing would change the relations of
production qualitatively and thus would lead to the qualitative
development of the productive forces. It is a real development policy
which says that one should oppose placing the sovereignty of our country
at the feet of foreign firms, that it should also be an independent and
a self-reliant one, that the resources in our country should be used
not for the imperialists but for the people. Many intellectuals and
researchers who have visited our areas had already written that an
alternative political power is being established in our areas. Many are
realizing that we are having an alternative line in all spheres like in
ideological, political, organizational, military, economical, cultural,
and ecological spheres. Observers have written clearly about the
increasing development in all these spheres, though at a primary level.
Open: Many of your sympathizers or activists
have been raising their voice against Operation Green Hunt. But it
becomes difficult for them to support your movement after incidents such
as the beheading of Francis Induvar, Jamui massacre, blasting of bus in
Dantewada and Gnaneshwari Express accident. What is your explanation
about these incidents?
Ganapathi: Firstly, I am sending my revolutionary
greetings to all the democratic forces which are opposing and protesting
this cruel and unjust war on the people waged by the government. Now
coming to bad propaganda and the accusations on us, we do not have any
hand in the incident which led to the accident of Gnaneshwari Express.
Already our West Bengal party has clearly issued statements in this
matter. This incident occurred due to the conspiracy hatched by CPI (M)
and the central intelligence agencies. Though judicial enquiry in this
matter has been handed over to the CBI, Umakant Mahato who was portrayed
as the main accused was caught and killed in a fake encounter. This is
also a part of that whole conspiracy. Our party which is fighting with
the aim of liberation of the people had never conducted any raids or
attacks targeting the people or with the aim of killing them and would
never do so in future too.
Our party had already clearly given a statement stating the facts
which led to the bus blasting near Chingavaram in Dantewada district.
Our party had issued an apology too for the mistake. In the case of
Induvar’s beheading Com. Azad had already answered clearly. Our party’s
stand on such issues is very clear. When exceptions occurred our party
had given explanations. But the ruling classes are intentionally doing
bad propaganda to defame the revolutionary movement and the people’s
resistance. The Gnaneshwari Express case is an evident example of this.
There is a lot of difference between the Induvar issue, Dantewada bus
blast and the Gnaneshwari incident. Near Chingavaram, our targets were
clearly the Koya Commandos and SPOs. These blood thirsty forces had
raided a village named Kutrem, killed three adivasis, raped women and
were returning. But we did not know that there were people inside the
bus. The information we had was that SPOs had got into the bus after
forcing the people to get down. On the roof top of the bus too it was
these armed killer gangs who were traveling. So we considered it a
military target and attacked it. We do not have any hand in the
Gnaneshwari accident. In Induvar’s case, our party had given a clear
explanation. While resisting the killer gangs and the endless cruel
violence perpetuated on them, people may in some places, very rarely as
an exception, resort to such acts as part of taking revenge. Unless we
understand the uneven social conditions in our country, we will not
understand this problem. The conditions in urban areas are different in
one sense. In the remote rural areas, where there is the cruelest feudal
and upper caste oppression, where people are suffering from the inhuman
violence perpetrated by Salwa Judum, Sendra, Harmad Bahini and such
killer gangs, where they are victims of the huge destructive campaigns
of the state, the resistance of the people may sometimes take such forms
too. Even in the urban areas, in the bastis where people are victims of
the notorious usurers, slum lords, politicians, mafia gangs and police
officers hand in glove with the gangsters and politicians, the
resistance of the people may take such forms too. The killing of the
notorious rapist and goon in Nagpur by the basti women is just one
instance out of many such incidents. This is just an explanation as to
why such things happen and it is very clear that our party doesn’t carry
on such incidents as a policy. Our attitude is that we should educate
our people and ranks in this matter. Some intellectuals who lick the
boots of the corporations are doing such bad propaganda on us by making a
mountain out of a molehill.
In the Jamui incident, a reactionary gang sponsored by the government
had caught eight of our comrades in Phulwaria-Kodasi village and killed
them in the most heinous, brutal manner by chopping off their limbs.
When such incidents happen, we will never be able to safeguard our
movement or our people if we keep quiet and do not act. That was why we
were compelled to counter attack. In this attack, nine people died
including three main goonda leaders. It is extremely sad that a woman
and a child were caught in flames and had died accidentally. All the
other seven were hard-core criminals, killers and lumpen elements. Our
Bihar-Jharkhand Special Area Committee had issued a clear statement on
this. It was published in the Bihar papers and in the Maoist Information
Bulletin-17.
On the whole, the governments and some paid intellectuals in their
service who blow their trumpet are falsely implicating us and trying to
defame us. In some incidents where we committed mistakes, they are not
even bothering to listen to our explanation and are continuing the bad
propaganda on us. So our request to the people and pro-people
intellectuals is not to get deceived by the government’s psy-war. Our
people’s army which had been formed to defend the interests of the
people would lay down lives for the people but would never try to harm
the people. So try to know the facts behind each incident. We are always
prepared to accept any proper criticism and are always ready to correct
our mistakes, if any.
Open: The Maoists have also been criticized for
killing police and paramilitary personnel who clearly belong to poor and
middle class families. You say that you fight for the poor and yet you
end up killing the poor police personnel.
Ganapathi : Any politically thinking person should
understand that the state and state machinery are the means of the
ruling classes for carrying on exploitation and oppression. The crucial
components in these are the police, paramilitary and military. The
number of the exploiters is always very limited. They would not even
constitute five percent of our population. But they hold the means of
production under their control and have built up the police and military
to exploit and suppress the vast masses who constitute the majority.
The rulers are recruiting them from among the people. That is why, the
majority of these forces belong to the poor and middle classes. These
forces are waging war on the people on behalf of the exploiting classes.
As these are the forces that stand in the forefront in the war, it is
inevitable that they would die in the self-defensive war of the people.
But if exploitation and oppression are to be ended, if oppressed people
are to be liberated and this agonizing situation is to end, then this
war of self-defence is inevitable.
In our areas some individuals from the police and paramilitary forces
meet us. They help us and we help them too in various forms. Only when
the government forces come to attack us carrying guns, we are attacking
them in self-defence. Our repeated appeal to the lower level personnel
in the police and paramilitary forces is – please do not betray your own
class, don’t serve the exploiting classes, don’t attack the people and
revolutionaries on your own consciously in a revengeful manner, join
hands with the masses and turn your guns against the real enemies and
not on your class brothers and sisters. What you are doing is not
service to the people but service to the exploiting classes. So stop
serving the exploiting classes like slaves. Don’t just think of your
livelihood, please think about the people, think about the country.
Our appeal to their families is that they should see to it that their
family members do not serve this exploiting system for temporary
interests; encourage them to be on the people’s side. When these
families reside in our areas, our people’s governments will ensure that
they get proper livelihood and necessary help as part of whatever the
oppressed people get. We want to make this clear on this occasion to
those families one more time.
Open: Your party had established guerilla zones
in areas like Lalgarh and Narayanapatna. At least in Lalgarh, the
Maoists are on a back foot now. How do you look at these developments?
Ganapathi: In Lalgarh and Narayanapatna, our party
gained the vast support of the masses. When mass struggles erupted and
spread like a prairie fire in these areas, they not only got the support
of the people of those states but also attracted the democrats and
people of our country. It is no exaggeration to say that our country had
not seen struggles with such huge and vast support of the masses in the
past 20 to 25 years. Our party is working in Lalgarh area since three
and half decades. As the revisionists who were in power since three
decades had been carrying on social fascist repression on the people,
severe discontent and hatred simmered and finally erupted like a
volcano. Most of the land lords, bad gentry, goons, contractors, traders
and police officers who were exploiting the people at local level are
the revisionist CPI (M) hoodlums. They had oppressed the people in all
spheres. In the background of such a situation, the anti-people CPI (M)
government had allowed the steel plant of Jindal in Salboni and this led
to the Lalgarh movement. Later the atrocities of the police on the
people of that area added fuel to the fire. The distinctive feature
there is that people had been under the social fascist oppression of CPI
(M) since decades.
The ruling class parties of Congress, Trinamool and CPI (M) have been
clashing with each other in West Bengal. In some places clashes took
place between CPI (M) and Trinamool and in some places between CPI (M)
and Congress. During the Nandigram struggle, this contradiction between
the ruling classes intensified more seriously. Its impact could be seen
in Lalgadh too. The Lalgarh struggle started mainly as an anti-state
movement and spread to all spheres of life. As it consolidated and
spread vastly, it brought to a standstill the state machinery and by
arming itself had established new political power though at a primary
level. It established itself as a political power system in all spheres
such as education, health, sanitation, irrigation facilities, transport,
trade, economy, culture etc. This is one of the characteristic features
of that struggle
And in the Narayanapatna struggle - from a class point of view, land
lords, usurers and bad gentry drank the blood of the people there. The
Narayanapatna peasantry consolidated and armed itself against their
exploitation and oppression. They occupied thousands of acres of patta
land. They fought most militantly on a vast scale and politically broke
down the feudal-bad gentry, usurer system and started new democratic
political power organs. As the right opportunism of fake revolutionaries
like Kanu Sanyal and Ramachandran became a hindrance in this
anti-feudal struggle and in getting the peasantry organized, it became
inevitable for them to fight against it. So, when seen from an
ideological point of view, this became possible as the peasantry raised
its political consciousness and revolted against revisionism by
rejecting their leadership.
These two struggles were waged with a clear political stand and with
the aim of establishing new political power. They were very just
struggles. They had mobilized huge majority of the people in those
areas. They had established new leadership. They were struggles with
immediate aims which were waged in coordination with the higher aim. The
people rose like a hurricane and these struggles had challenged the
state, exploiting classes and the imperialists. So the state launched a
massive attack on them. In these two areas, many changes occurred in
struggle forms and organizational forms. In Narayanapatna right
opportunist forces had also joined hands in the most reactionary fashion
with the feudal forces and bad gentry and jointly carried on attacks on
the people.
Seeing these growing struggles, the central and state governments
schemed against them and deployed paramilitary forces on a large scale.
In Bengal, Harmad Bahini, the neo-fascist force under the leadership of
CPI (M) is conducting attacks along with the central paramilitary forces
and the state police. As the central and state governments had jointly
undertaken a massive attack on the Lalgadh movement, we had to make
changes in the struggle forms and organizational forms which were in
vogue till then. When continuous attacks are taking place without any
respite, changes should necessarily be made in the mass struggle forms
and organizational forms. Then sustaining the movement in the face of
attacks becomes primary and the changes made would also be in accordance
with this. It is not correct to assess that mass support for these
struggle organizations has become less, by looking at this phenomena. If
these movements sustain themselves, become more consolidated, more
armed, gain more active support of the masses and extend to more new
areas and strengthen the party and army, then they would be able to
develop further. This process is underway under our leadership.
We would definitely strive to advance these movements and to build
such movements in other areas. These struggles have given us great
lessons. Taking them as a model we are trying to build movements in
other parts of our country. The conditions which led to the eruption of
these movements are exactly prevailing all over the country. Wherever
the big corporate companies and MNCs are rushing forward to loot our
resources, wherever feudal exploitation is severe there is every chance
for struggles on the lines of Kalinganagar, Nandigram, Lalgadh and
Narayanapatna to break out. We will lead these struggles.
Open: At present, your movement is confined to
the remote forest areas, among the adivasis. You are also not attracting
youth from urban areas as you used to, in the past. Your critics say
you cannot extend to urban areas and that you will never be successful
in Gurgaon as you have been in Giridih (Jharkhand)? Does this worry
you?
Ganapathi: After merger, we have emerged stronger in
some areas and become weaker is some areas. Among the areas where we
have become weaker, there are some plain areas and some urban areas.
Among the areas where we strengthened ourselves, there are some remote
areas and some plain areas. Such ups and downs may be inevitable in a
protracted war. It is not true that we have been completely eliminated
from the urban areas and plains as some people are propagating or as
some others believe. As I had mentioned before, India is one of the
countries where Maoist movements are on going in the world. Imperialists
and the ruling classes of our country are together intensifying the
offensive to suppress our movement. When they so concentrate and carry
on attacks, we may suffer losses. And we have suffered losses. This is
just one aspect of the problem.
We have gained many experiences in the urban areas. We have enriched
our policy on urban work. We have studied the changes in the economic
and political conditions of our country and the world and had formulated
a program accordingly. Communists never work according to their wills
and wishes. They work by studying objective conditions in the society.
Basing on the positive and negative lessons we have learnt, we are
trying to overcome the losses.
The second aspect of this problem is that we may suffer losses due to
enemy attacks, but on the other hand due to their suppression
campaigns, their pro-imperialist policies and anti-people acts they are
getting more and more isolated from the people. This means that they
themselves are creating the conditions for the people to turn against
them. It is true that at present we are not able to mobilize workers,
students and intellectuals as we had done in the 70s and 80s. There have
been some considerable changes and phenomena in those conditions. It
has become very complex to work in areas where the enemy is strong and
in the trade union movement where the revisionists have entrenched
themselves. This is not just the case in India. This condition is
prevailing in the whole world. But revolutionaries would definitely
overcome this. In order to liberate this country we have to concentrate
on organizing the peasantry. At present we would strengthen our movement
among the peasantry and definitely extend to the urban areas. On the
other hand, this peasant movement is inspiring the urban and people and
is having a great impact on them. So, the days when we would vastly
organize peasantry of plain areas, the suburban people and urban people
are not that far off.
Today, the workers in our country are once again facing the
conditions which the workers had faced in 19th century Europe. Most of
the workers are turning into contract and casual labourers. They are
forced to work for 12 to 16 hours in horrible conditions. Government is
changing all labor laws to facilitate the imperialist exploitation.
Workers’ families are forced to live like slaves in the barracks built
for them. Everything is being restructured. The enemy may be happy about
the losses he has inflicted on us. But since people are suffering, they
are fighting against them in various forms. Our party would definitely
lead these struggles bravely and firmly. All the conditions required for
the proletariat and the urban masses to rise like a storm and destroy
the exploiting system are gradually ripening.
The Indian government has finished implementing the LPG policy of
second generation reforms and is going to take up third generation
reforms. Under these circumstances, it is bringing many kinds of changes
in the education policy according to the needs of the imperialist
capital. In the background of the imperialist-dictated changes taken up
by the ruling classes in the education policy, education opportunities
are diminishing for the poor children and for women belonging to working
class, peasantry, adivasi, dalit and religious minority families.
Privatization of education is decreasing the opportunities with each
passing day. At present, education mainly means corporate-dominated
education. This education system mainly caters to the interests of the
domestic and foreign corporations. This is creating a big chasm with the
students, teachers, parents on one side and the ruling classes on the
other. Within a short period this would erupt. Our party is recognizing
the need to study and lead this. We will do everything possible in this
matter.
Allowing imperialist capital into retail market and the increasing
grip of the imperialist and corporate companies over our country’s
economy in order to overcome the economic crises have led to the
bankruptcy of the small traders and small and medium bourgeoisie in the
urban areas. In the name of beautification of cities slums are evacuated
and middle class people are chased away to the suburban areas. The life
of the working class and slum population is in turmoil. Among these
people, there are many people who had migrated to the cities from our
movement areas. All this is speeding up the process of these cities and
towns turning into gun powder centres. We are studying all these
phenomena and trying to work among them with proper tactics.
All the riches between Giridih and Gurgaon have been produced by
people from poor areas like Giridih. It is the poor, dalit and adivasi
labourers who are spilling their sweat and blood for the construction of
huge mansions and infrastructure by Indian and foreign corporate lords.
The majority of the workers and employees who work in the shopping
malls and companies are from these areas. Either in terms of social,
economic and cultural ties or in terms of movement relations Gurgaons
and Giridihs are not two unconnected islands as such. They both are
influencing each other. This is creating a strong base for our
extension. If Giridih is liberated first, then basing on its strength
and on the struggles of the working class in Gurgaon, Gurgaon would be
liberated later. This means one is first and the other is later. Though
after Giridih, Gurgaon would also have to be liberated. Along with the
liberation of Gurgaon the comprador rule and imperialist control would
also be forced to end in our country.
Open: In the urban areas, the middle class has
many doubts and apprehensions about the Maoist movement. They fear that
if the Maoists come to power, they would be annihilated and that their
properties would be confiscated. Would you like to say anything to allay
these fears?
Ganapathi: Our very revolution is concerned with the
proletariat, peasantry, middle class and the national bourgeoisie.
Among these classes we consider the middle class to be a reliable ally
of the proletariat. They are completely affected by the pro-imperialist
policies of the government. They are in fact facing great insecurity.
The lives and livelihood of middle classes are seriously threatened by
the pro-imperialist policies of the ruling class and by the economic
crises shaking the world and not at all due to us. The properties which
we would confiscate as part of the new democratic revolution belong to
the land lords, comprador bureaucratic bourgeoisie and the imperialist
corporations and none other.
Only a very small percent of the upper crust in the middle classes
join the upper classes and turn anti-people. But the entire middle
class, the majority of the intellectuals and democrats who belong to the
middle class would either join the movement or would stand in support
of the movement. Not only during the revolution but in a
post-revolutionary society too, the role of the intellectuals in
building a new society would be excellent. When they join their hands
with the working people, we will be able to complete the revolution
sooner and also build the new society at a rapid pace. Due to the
prejudices propagated by the ruling classes and some of their stooges
who lick their boots, a negligible number of them may have some fears
but we want to clearly say that it is not at all the truth.
Open: After Rahul Gandhi intervened in Vedanta,
it is being said that there is no need for violent movements like the
Maoist movement and that problems can be solved by bringing pressure
through peaceful and legal movements.
Ganapathi: This is a result of the determined,
united struggle of the adivasis of Niyamgiri hills and a result of the
impact of the struggles at Kalinganagar, Singur, Nandigram etc. People’s
movements are carried on in various forms. The determined struggle of
the people is the main factor. In fact, the very permission given to
Vedanta is against their so called laws and regulations, you know. The
central government had to cancel the permission in an inevitable
situation and now they are falling heads over heels to portray Jairam
Ramesh, Rahul Gandhi and the likes as the saviors of the people. In
fact, they should have arrested and punished the Vedanta management for
gross violation of rules and regulations and the political leaders and
government officials for their patronage. On the other hand, this same
government had given permission to the massive Polavaram project at the
same time when this permission was cancelled. This is one of the biggest
multi-purpose projects in the whole world. This would lead to the
biggest displacement in the whole of India. After permission was
cancelled to Vedanta, the very next day Rahul Gandhi went to Kalahandi
and said that he was on the side of the adivasis. Nothing can be farther
from the truth. Just a few days before this, it was his very same
Congress government which had fired upon and killed some people and
injured a large number of people of Sompeta who were opposing the
construction of a thermal power project. The people revolted because
this project is being built by displacing people from their fertile
agricultural lands. The ruling class gang of Jairam Ramesh, Sonia,
Manmohan Singh, Chidambaram et all had signed MoUs worth billions of
rupees with MNCs and big bourgeoisie. Movements are ongoing in several
parts of our country against projects which are displacing millions of
people. Movements have erupted and are still continuing in
Kalinganagar, Singur, Bodhghat, Lohandiguda, Dumka, Kakinada, Polepalli,
Rayagadha and other places against the various projects brought forward
by the big comprador bourgeoisie and the MNCs. Among these, except in
Nandigram, none took the armed form. Even where we are leading them, the
resistance is not yet in the armed form in all the places. Struggle
forms come to the fore according to demand of the movement and the level
of consciousness of the people. There is no doubt that armed struggle
is the principal form of struggle in people’s war. But people’s war
doesn’t mean fighting using guns alone. This is a form which would come
to the fore depending on the level of consciousness of the people and
the response of the state. We consider our people’s war to be the
consolidated and integrated whole of the entire stage of revolution
which consists of many peaceful/violent, unarmed/armed forms of
struggles and open/secret, legal/illegal forms of organization.
If the adivasis of Niyamgiri hills think that they have won complete
victory with this, it would be a mistake. They have to stand on their
own feet and prepare themselves for a protracted armed struggle in a
united and consolidated form. Instead of that, if they place their hopes
and trust on Rahul or on the NGOs and have illusions about them, then
another company may replace Vedanta, or we need not be surprised if
Vedanta itself is given permission in some other form. In Odisha, in
spite of serious violations of rules and regulations by the POSCO
company, granting permission is a clear proof of its pro-corporate
policy. Even Kalinganagar struggle has not been completely successful
till now. Repression is being carried on again on a large scale there.
Some people were murdered. There is no chance at all for the issue to be
solved in a peaceful manner. If our country is to be protected from the
imperialist exploitation and oppression or if Niyamgiri hills are to be
protected, people need a people’s army. It is a must. Even if some
intellectuals or voluntary organizations take up these issues and fight,
this won’t be solved permanently. The world capitalist system is
completely bogged down in economic crisis at present. If it has to come
out of it, then it has to frantically seek cheap raw materials. So the
problem would return to square one. Whether in Niyamgiri, Visakha,
Sompeta, Lohandiguda or in all such places, people have to fight in a
united, consolidated, militant and armed manner to solve the problems of
displacement and loot of resources.
Open: What is your party’s response to the recent situation in Kashmir?
Ganapathi: The Kashmiri people have been fighting
for their independence and right to self-determination for the past
sixty years. Countless atrocities, massacres and violence are being
perpetuated by the Indian government to suppress this struggle. More
than 80,000 Kashmiris have been murdered. Though Indian rulers claim
that they have eliminated militancy, the Kashmiri people have been
rising in waves during various instances. Recently, in the protest
marches held from June 11th, more than a hundred Kashmiri youth were
killed in firings by police, paramilitary and military. With a
deployment of 7 lakh military and paramilitary forces, Kashmir valley
has been turned into the most militarized zone in the whole world.
Our Party strongly supports the just movement of the Kashmiri people.
Their demand for ‘Azadi’ (independence) and right to self-determination
is fully justified. Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris. It has never been an
integral part of India. Neither India nor Pakistan has any right on it.
Our party condemns this horrible repression on the Kashmiri people in
the most serious terms. Indian people should condemn in one voice the
government massacres continuing in Kashmir. Our party is making it clear
that without doing this, it is not possible to effectively fight back
or defeat the ruthless offensive of the ruling classes on the fighting
people of India. Our party is concretely putting forth the following
demands to resolve the Kashmir issue.
1. The massacres by the Indian government’s armed forces in Kashmir should be immediately stopped!
2. Withdraw paramilitary and military forces from Kashmir immediately!
3. Immediately annul the AFSPA (Armed Forces Special Powers Act) which authorizes the military to indiscriminately kill people!
4. Conduct plebiscite in Kashmir and let the Kashmiris decide their future on their own!
5. Release all political prisoners unconditionally!
Open: There have been allegations of wide-spread corruption in the Commonwealth games. How do you look at this?
Ganapathi: The ruling classes conducted a big farce
in the name of Commonwealth games by spending 70,000 crores of rupees in
a callous manner with least bother or concern about the poverty,
hunger, illiteracy, unemployment, diseases, homelessness, displacement,
floods and other such unbearable problems of the majority of our
population. While 77 percent of the people are living on less than 20
rupees per day they amassed crores of rupees under the pretense of
games. The crores of rupees supposed to be spent on stadiums, roads,
buildings that are built for the games and in buying various equipments
found their way into the pockets of corrupt officials, ministers and
contractors. The labourers worked in these construction works were
exploited by giving them appalling wages.
On the other hand, the lives of working class and middle class people
were in turmoil due to these games. In the name of beautification of
Delhi, hundreds of thousands of slum people, roadside vendors and
beggars were chased away. Daily movements of the people were restricted
in the name of security. All this was nothing but an exercise carried
out for profits of corporations and commissions of ministers and
officials. Particularly, to divert the youth from their basic problems,
to make them live in an illusory beautiful world and to douse their
growing discontent too, these games were held. The people gained nothing
from these games except heavy tax burden.
Moreover, these Commonwealth games are themselves a remnant of the
colonial past which reeks of slavery. The past colonies of Britain join
it. Except the comprador rulers who serve the neo-colonialists
(imperialists) none of the citizens who aspire for the country’s
independence and none of the patriots could ever digest the fact that
our country is a member of it. Any country with self-respect would
reject membership of such an association. We appreciate the
participation of players from various countries in games as part of some
forums. But this could be supported only when they are held on an equal
basis, without all this extravaganza and when it does not compromise
the sovereignty of those respective countries.
Open: The Lucknow Bench of Allahabad High Court
gave a judgment dividing the disputed site in Ayodhya into three parts.
What is your say on this?
Ganapathi: Our party has stated very clearly our
stand on the demolition of Babri Masjid many times in the past 18 years.
Recently comrade Abhay, spokesperson of our CC has in a statement
clearly stated our party’s stand on this. It is really very sad that the
Lucknow bench of Allahabad High Court distributed the disputed site
into three parts. There is no scientific basis for this at all. Nor is
there any historical evidence to support this. Our party has been
consistently and clearly saying from the beginning that Babri Masjid
should be rebuilt on the same place where it stood. It is a crime of
Himalayan proportions to demolish it. Our party’s stand is that the
whole site should belong to the Muslim community. Through this judgment,
injustice was done to the Muslim community.
On the question of arguments about the birth place of Rama which is
supposed to be the spot where Babri Masjid was erected, when we look at
the history of India, there were no Masjids at all at one time, you
know! Just as Hinduism and Buddhism spread from the countries of India
and Nepal to the entire Indian sub-continent and to some East Asian
countries, all religions including Islam have spread to various parts of
the world from their place of birth. So, by showing this reason and by
making this judgment a model every Masjid can be turned into a disputed
site, conflicts can be given birth to. Every minority community’s
praying site can be demolished. Now this danger has come to the fore
more clearly. After this judgment there is every chance for the
insecurity among the minority people to increase further. As our party
spokesperson Abhay has stated, the people should stay alert with the
fundamentalists, particularly, the Hindu fundamentalists. In Bhiwandi,
Mumbai, Karnataka, Hyderabad, Gujarat and Orissa all the incidents which
took place in the name of religious riots were plotted and perpetrated
by the ruling classes, particularly the Hindu religious chauvinists.
This judgment has given legitimacy to the demolition of Babri Masjid.
Now this court judgment has created conditions for the aggressiveness of
Hindu religious chauvinists to increase in various forms on the
religious minorities. So we are opposing this court judgment. Our party
opines that only when people of all religious minorities including
Muslim minority, secular forces, democratic forces and oppressed people
of our country fight unitedly and isolate the fundamentalist forces,
particularly Hindu religious chauvinist forces, a proper solution could
be found for this issue or other such issues.
Open: The CPI (M) party has been repeatedly
hurling accusations about the close relations between Trinamool Congress
and the Maoists? Mamata Banerjee had even demanded a judicial probe
into Azad’s killing.
Ganapathi: We are not at all surprised that Mamata
Banerjee had demanded judicial probe into Azad’s murder. Anybody who is
familiar with the political situation of Bengal would not be surprised
with this. Democratic organizations and renowned personalities and mass
organizations are demanding judicial probe and that the murderers of
Azad should be held in trial for murder and punished. This demand
represents the people’s aspirations. She demanded judicial probe by
taking this into consideration. Why would she have any respect or
affection for Azad? Who would feel that Azad had been murdered in the
most unjust manner? People only who think that the political aim for
which Azad had fought is justified, only those who support it and only
those who are committed to genuine democracy would sincerely condemn his
murder. Others may condemn it for various reasons. Mamata is also one
of them. They would do so for their own interests. Though she had made
this demand taking into consideration her clashes with CPI (M), and the
upcoming elections, it is a welcome demand. Her demand would to some
extent help the struggle of the people.
Moreover, for the past fifteen years or more, severe clashes are
going on between Trinamool and CPI (M). Sometimes in some places this is
taking the form of armed clashes too. The CPI (M) formed armed social
fascist gangs like Harmad Bahini and is attacking Trinamool, Maoists,
democrats and people to suppress them. Trinamool took up arms to fight
CPI (M). So, in order to fight back these attacks and to come to power
in the next elections it is natural for Mamata to speak some words to
attract the people. In our country, nearly for the past 30 to 35 years
the characteristic feature which is continuing in the Bengal politics is
that the ruling classes have set up armed clashes with each other. We
don’t find this in most of the other states. Though this contradiction
between the ruling classes is very severe in various forms in other
states, it is not at the level of armed clashes. This contradiction got
reflected in Nandigram and it was useful for the people. In the
parliament and municipal elections held later, Trinamool won more seats.
Now in the upcoming assembly elections the competition would be even
more tough. If she has to come to power now, she is compelled to talk as
if she is on the people’s side. People who hate and abhor CPI (M) would
definitely teach it a lesson. Now the entire people and democrats of
Bengal want to escape from the tiger they are facing on the front side.
Now for them the tiger in the front is more dangerous than the bear
which is at their back. But after they chase away the tiger they cannot
escape the bear’s hug. Our party would continue to caution the people
about this danger too. We would ask them to chase away the bear too in
the future. They would have to certainly fight against the bear too.
Unless people get rid of these two menaces, any one of them would
continue riding on the back of the people.
Tomorrow, even if Mamata Banerjee comes to power, she would not seize
the lands of land lords and distribute them to the poor peasantry nor
would she seize the industries of the imperialists and big bourgeoisie.
People would not have a chance to participate freely in the elections
too. This means that even if she comes to power there won’t be any
fundamental change. However, if Trinamool comes to power after a long
rule of social fascists, it would definitely try hard to gain a tight
grip over the administration. During this period keeping in view the
election promises she had made, she may temporarily stop attacks on the
people. But this would be only temporary. Later, people would have to
fight against her government too.
And our party doesn’t have any open or undercover relations with
Trinamool. But on some occasions even ruling classes may talk in the
interest of the people. They would take up some pro-people demands on
some occasions for mobilizing the support of the people and for votes.
They would even conduct some struggles. Such struggles also exist though
their scope is very limited. When such people talk in the interests of
the people, we would examine them concretely. As the contradictions
among the enemies are indirect reserves for the proletariat, depending
on the concrete situation our party would clearly state its stand. Our
party would never support or oppose such things blindly. But people
should seriously try to understand their class nature and their
political and economic policies and should not entertain any illusions
about them. If such illusions exist, it would be a task of our party to
bring them out of it.
When our stand is so clear, it is not at all proper to say as if we
have relations with her party and as if we are justifying it.
Open: There is a criticism that a majority of
your party leadership comes from Andhra Pradesh and that there is no
adivasi leadership. How factual is this assessment?
Ganapathi: This criticism is farther from the truth.
Among the comrades who were elected into the CC in our Unity
Congress-9th Congress there were comrades from various states. Majority
of our leadership was elected from the states where our movement was
strong and it is not true that they were elected from Andhra Pradesh
alone. On the whole comrades from nine states who represent our party in
18 states were elected into the CC. It is very natural for more
comrades to be elected where our movement is strong and from those who
have led these movements since a long time. So, more comrades from
Bihar, Jharkhand, Bengal, Andhra Pradesh and Dandakaranya were elected
to the CC.
When we look at the Indian Communist Movement from 1925, for the
first time three comrades from adivasi background were elected to the CC
in our Unity Congress. Before the Congress, our CC member Comrade
Shobha from adivasi background was arrested. When we take into
consideration the class, caste and social conditions of our country,
more of the comrades who were elected were from the background of basic
classes and castes. There are comrades with long experience and
efficient young comrades too among them. Our CC was formed with the
three-in-one combination taught by Mao (belonging to the three
generations). Some intellectuals who are not much associated with our
movement or who do not know about us repeatedly question us as to why
there are no women, dalits and adivasis in your leadership. This very
revolutionary movement in India is carried out for the liberation of the
oppressed people. The working class, peasantry and the middle class who
are crushed under the exploiting classes and imperialists are the ones
who are participating in the revolutionary movement. Our party has taken
roots among the oppressed people and is extending among them. But from
the days of Naxalbari till date, more than 12,000 comrades were killed
by the state. Many of them were marvelous comrades. The vast majority of
them, i.e., more than 80 percent belonged to the oppressed classes and
castes. Comrades from rich peasants and upper middle class are less in
number. Though we are striving to have more leadership from the
oppressed classes, we had lost a majority of them in the enemy offensive
and we want to clearly say that it is becoming a hindrance in achieving
this goal. For example, in Andhra Pradesh more than four hundred women
comrades were killed by the fascist governments. Most of them were from
the background of oppressed classes and castes. Many educated women
comrades who came from a middle class background were killed too. Many
martyred women comrades were quiet capable of developing and were
supposed to come into state committees and central committee of the
party.
Not just in the CC, but in the state committees too we have comrades
from a background of oppressed class, caste, gender and tribe. As we go
further down, the vast majority of the leaders are from a background of
oppressed classes. It is obvious that it is these comrades who would be
elected to the higher committees in the future. We also have a goal of
breaking down the monopoly which the exploiting classes and upper castes
have over knowledge in a bourgeois society and handing it over to the
people. After the completion of revolution, we would achieve this by
generating working class intellectuals and experts in countless numbers.
Today, with this understanding, we are striving very hard to educate
and develop all our comrades.
At present it is a known fact to all that the enemy is targeting the
comrades from higher committees and killing them, but in the past 30
years, great, outstanding comrades and comrades who could develop were
killed is a fact that you also should acknowledge.
And one more thing, when movements develop strongly in other states
too, more number of oppressed people from all states would join the
party and raise to the leadership ranks. This is a certainty.
Our Unity Congress has concluded that the caste-based feudalism
entrenched and riding over the Indian society since centuries is built
on the ideological basis of Brahmanism. Nothing can be more ridiculous
than this state which has an upper caste, patriarchal, Hindu religious
bias and which represents such a decadent system making false
allegations against us in this matter. Some people innocently believe
this false propaganda. The stooges of the ruling classes in the media
are parroting the same and creating a uproar. However, our people do not
have any doubts on us revolutionaries.
Open: There are even allegations that women
activists are exploited sexually in your party. Recently a woman
commander gave an interview in a national daily that many senior Maoist
leaders had sexually exploited her. Do you think these are rare
occurrences?
Ganapathi: In the psychological war of the enemy on
us, such allegations are an important part. The woman commander you
mentioned was in fact kept in illegal custody by the West Bengal police
for almost one year and later was asked to make this statement. The
police bring lot of pressure and threaten in many ways the surrendered
and arrested women comrades belonging to various states and make them
issue such accusing statements and allegations on revolutionaries. This
has been developed as a method by them after the 80s. So in this
background one can assess how credible such allegations can be.
But we never said there are no shades of patriarchy in the party or
that the men and women comrades haven’t become its victims. We are
fighting against the manifestations of patriarchy by increasing the
political consciousness of our comrades and people, by taking up
anti-patriarchal rectification campaigns and more than anything,
increasing the consciousness, self-confidence and individuality of the
women comrades and implementing pro-women policies firmly. It is a part
of our practice to take disciplinary actions which include severe
warning to expulsion from the party according to the severity of the
mistake, on comrades who commit mistakes, however high they may be
placed in the party.
In fact, in the ongoing revolutionary movement and people’s war under
our party’s leadership women are participating on a large scale. The
participation of women in the struggles against various forms of
patriarchy, under our party’s leadership is very inspiring to us. It is
an undeniable fact that no where else in our country and under no other
party is there such a huge mobilization of women as in our party. Women
warriors in our PLGA are fighting the enemy very bravely. If the
accusations made against us are true, then this would have been
impossible. In fact, it is an irrefutable fact that women are finding
only in our movement the security, respect and equal rights denied to
them in the society or elsewhere.
On the other hand, the police and paramilitary forces, reactionary
militias like Salwa Judum, Harmad Bahini, Nagarik Suraksha Samiti and
SPOs are resorting to countless atrocities and violence on women as part
of suppressing the revolutionary movement. Hundreds of village women
were insulted, gang-raped, killed and tortured. They are languishing in
jails under the burden of false cases. They are getting convicted. It is
really surprising and sad that some organizations and individuals
belonging to the civil society are making these allegations against us
without bothering to speak or condemn this violence and atrocity on the
women.
Open: The Home ministry has recently hurled
accusations at you that you are getting weapons and money from foreign
countries, especially from China, Myanmar and Bangladesh. They are also
alleging that you are getting help from the separatist organizations in
North-East. What is your explanation?
Ganapathi: This allegation is part of the psy-war
against us by the ruling gangs to portray our Party as a terrorist and
traitorous organization and isolate us from the people. Our weapons are
mainly country-made. All the modern weapons we have are mainly seized
from the government armed forces when we attack them. The enemy himself
knows that seizure of arms is our main source for getting weapons. Our
party supports the various nationality struggles waged for the
liberation of their nationalities and their right to self-determination.
We have political memoranda of understanding with some of the
organizations which are leading the struggles there. We have published
open statements about these in our magazines too. As a revolutionary
political party which represents the vast masses and as a party which
would lead the government that would be completely responsible for this
country after we come to power, we would establish relations with
countries having different political systems in the world on the basis
of Panchsheel policy. Now and later too we would decide about
maintaining these relations with various organizations and parties in
the world in the interests of the world revolution. This is one of our
candid basic policies. We have announced this policy through our party
programme long back. We would also buy weapons to fulfill the needs of
our people’s war from domestic and international market. This is the
third and last source for our weapons. And the allegations made by
Chidambaram-GK Pillai about getting weapons and money from those
countries are nothing but baseless rubbish.
In fact, it is the Indian government which is buying weapons, war
material and modern technology from US, Russia, France and other
imperialist countries, from Israel and other countries to suppress the
people’s democratic movements, nationality liberation struggles and
revolutionary movements. With this huge arsenal the Indian expansionists
are becoming a peril for the South Asian countries and this is also
increasing the arms race with Pakistan. It is sending officers from here
to notorious intelligence agencies like the Mossad and CIA for training
in order to target the comrades leading the revolutionary movements and
kill them. It is the ruling classes and their military higher officials
who are wasting the people’s money, filling their pockets with billions
of rupees in the name of commissions in these transactions and
betraying the country as traitors downright. Everybody should condemn
this, question this.
Open: The Maoist leadership has also been
accused of getting massive funds from mining industries and other
corporate companies. What is your answer to these allegations?
Ganapathi: This is also part of the foul propaganda
of the government on us. They are even alleging that we are collecting
five thousand crores of rupees annually. GK, PC and Prakash Singh never
tire of harping on our ‘extortion’. This is the falsest allegation that
has been made on us. We outrightly reject this. Perhaps their eyes are
used to seeing commissions worth thousands of crores of rupees and out
of habit they see our collections too in those terms. If we could have
collected even one percent of that amount, we could have done so much
for our people! In fact, our party mainly collects donations from the
people and funds from the traders in our guerilla zones. We have a clear
people’s financial policy. And our party also collects rational levy
from contractors who take up various works in our areas. A considerable
part of these funds is spent for welfare of the people through our
people’s power organs. As for mining organizations, our people are
fighting their best not to allow them into our strong areas. Our party
is leading these struggles, it is supporting them. So the issue of
collecting funds from them does not arise, you know. The police
officers, government officials and ruling class parties who illegally
collect crores of rupees from various organizations, pocket commissions
and stack away their money in Swiss banks do not have any moral right to
point a finger at us.
Open: What is your assessment about Obama’s foreign policy? How do you see Obama's visit to India?
Ganapathi: The economy of US broke down as US had to
spend hundreds of billions of dollars to continue the war in Iraq and
with thousands of US soldiers dying by getting bogged down in this war
and Bush losing his face as he waged the war with the arrogance that he
would be able to take hold of it within a few months and could not do
so. Due to these reasons, leave alone Obama, even Bush had to talk about
withdrawal of forces long back. The very attack on Iraq by US is a
heinous crime against humanity. In fact, the US had not fought any
heroic war there. US has superior force. But what it did was to rain
lakhs of tonnes of bombs on Iraqi cities and towns, kill millions of
Iraqis, create havoc and destroy one of the oldest civilizations of the
world and its rich heritage, culture and society. So from the day it
occupied Iraq, US has been continuously facing the resistance of the
rebels, patriots and freedom-loving people of Iraq.
The US imperialist completely destroyed the state, army, judiciary,
legislative bodies and administration machinery built by Saddam and is
building a neo-colonial state by keeping their puppets in the front. It
formed a new state with the puppet forces. It could destroy Saddam and
his followers but it could not solve the new contradiction which had
cropped up between the people and its puppets. They are unable to
suppress the people’s resistance. The army withdrawn by Obama is less
and that which he is continuing is more. Recently when Iraqi national
forces conducted a huge raid, the US army in Iraq barracks immediately
stepped out.
After Obama came to power, more than 30,000 additional troops were
sent to Afghanistan by him. A fake election farce was conducted amidst
severe opposition of the Afghan people and he had his puppet Hamid
Karzai elected. Ninety percent of the persons dying in US bombing are
ordinary citizens. NATO troops under US leadership are indiscriminately
killing Afghan citizens. The atrocities committed by US are so horrible
that even their puppet Karzai was forced to open his mouth. In West
Pakistan, they are killing hundreds of ordinary citizens in drone
attacks. Till date, Karzai’s power is confined to the cities. Afghan
people have never bowed to the rule of any intruder in their whole
history. They chased away the imperialists and occupiers from their land
enduring all kinds of travails. Exactly as in the case of Russian
imperialists, Afghan land would prove to be the graveyard of the US
imperialists too. Obama is implementing the same diplomatic policies
followed by Bush in Middle and South Asia, if not more callously. The US
strategy for world hegemony to gain control of Caspian sea gas and
establish permanent bases in Afghanistan to surround China is bound to
fail.
During UPA-I, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh ignoring stiff opposition
from the people, had civilian nuclear deal with the US passed proving
himself a trustworthy servant of the US imperialists. The Nuclear
Liability Bill which has been passed by the Parliament recently is
nothing but a continuation of this servility. Regarding the Bhopal gas
leak accident which led to gruesome death of thousands of people and
disaster for hundreds of thousands of people in Bhopal, the wounds in
the hearts and minds of the people of India continue to pain till this
day. And now the UPA government has in a most shameless manner dared to
prepare this Bill enabling many more 'Bhopals' to make their way and
ensuring even if such holocausts take place, the foreign capitalists
responsible for those would be set free with far less 'liability' (just
like Warren Anderson and Dow Chemicals were set free). While BJP has
helped UPA government in passing this Bill, the parliamentary Left
parties who call themselves Communists, have once again proved their
compromising nature by not opposing this traitorous Bill firmly and not
initiating people's movement against this. Manmohan Singh worked hard to
ensure this Bill passed before the arrival of Obama.
US imperialism, which has been plundering the poor countries across
the world, suppressing the oppressed nationalities, pushing the
notorious thugs and dictators into the power, bullying those countries
who wouldn't cooperate, going to any extent to loot oil, minerals and
all other natural wealth and sources, is the no. 1 enemy of world
people. Its leader Barack Obama is such a person whom the entire
humanity must hate. As his predecessor George Bush had accumulated the
hate across the globe, US imperialist masters brought Barack Obama in a
plan that people could be deceived with his skin color. Though Obama was
so much rhetorical opposing the policies of Bush, after entering into
the White House, all the policies and decisions taken by him till this
day are nothing but continuation of the Bush administration. In fact the
difference between George Bush and Barack Obama lies just in their
color and in the name of their representing parties. There is no
difference between them in exploiting and suppressing the world people,
oppressed nationalities, countries and working class of the US. It's an
irrefutable fact that this black color President was selected by the
most notorious white vultures of US monopolistic corporations.
The comprador ruling classes of India are busy laying red carpet to
welcome Obama. Welcoming Obama means nothing but a betrayal to the
values of sovereignty, freedom, independence, self-reliance, peace,
justice and democracy. Inviting Obama to our beloved country means
showing servility to its warmongering, invasive, exploitative and
hegemonic policies. Therefore, on behalf of the Central Committee of
Communist Party of India (Maoist), I call upon entire people,
revolutionary and democratic organizations and all patriotic forces of
India to register your protest in various forms and to raise the slogan
'OBAMA! GO BACK!!' loudly in one voice.
Open: What is your assessment of the recent
developments in Nepal? Do you see a future for parties like the CPI
(Maoist) in south Asia?
Ganapathi: According to our party’s assessment, the
revolutionary situation in the whole of South Asia is excellent. The
assessment of the Coordination Committee of Maoist Parties and
Organizations of South Asia (CCOMPOSA) is also the same. In all the
countries of South Asia the condition is more or less the same. Though
the chauvinist Sinhala government may be arrogant that they have
completely suppressed the Tamil Eelam movement under LTTE’s leadership,
it is impossible for them to permanently suppress the Tamil national
aspirations. The conditions for it to raise its head within a short
period in another form exist there. The struggle forms and
organizational forms may vary. Tamil people have made immense sacrifices
and have a long experience of struggle. Freedom-loving Tamil people
would never rest. It would be an illusion of the chauvinist Sinhala
government if it thinks that it had established permanent social peace
by eliminating LTTE.
Severe revolutionary crisis is still continuing in Nepal. The state
machinery has become paralyzed. All class forces are intensely clashing
with each other. But the unfortunate thing is that, the Maoist party
there let go the opportunity to seize political power using this
excellent crisis situation. At a time when it should continue the
people’s war and seize political power, it wants to come to power
through the parliamentary system instead. Our party’s Central Committee
wrote an open letter to that party in this matter and had issued
statements too.
Though such excellent revolutionary situation exists, the Maoist
party is not giving primary importance to the movement in rural areas,
is not mobilizing peasantry, working class and middle class masses
militantly against feudalism, imperialism and Indian expansionism and
just whiling away its time. It adopted a right opportunist line. It
won’t be much long before it becomes clear if the Nepal Maoist party
would utilize the present excellent revolutionary situation, train its
people in struggle and plunge into the decisive battle for final victory
or if it would get bogged down permanently in the parliamentary mire.
Anyway, t would depend on whether they are ready to abandon their wrong
line and adopt the correct line or not. It is a fact that internal
struggle is going on in the Maoist party there.
Our party’s analyzes the situation in our country to be excellent.
All the social contradictions in our country are sharpening too. The
people of India are fighting a bitter struggle against feudalism,
imperialism and comprador bureaucratic capitalism under our party’s
leadership. We would be able to influence the situation in South Asia by
defending ourselves against the enemy offensive and intensifying our
People’s War.
The situation in Bhutan is excellent. Though a so-called parliament
was formed in Bhutan, it is a peculiar form of constitutional monarchy
masquerading as parliamentary democracy. Even in the new government the
members of the king’s family are the main players. Bhutan is still under
the grip of feudalism and Indian expansionists. But revolutionary party
has already been formed there. The peasants there have to fight too.
The Pakistan society is facing the most severe crisis in its history.
It has become a playground for the US super power’s strategy for world
hegemony. The phenomena in Afghanistan are intensifying the crisis too.
Pakistan has become the centre point in the US plan to surround China.
Oppression of nationalities is continuing severely there. Its
contradictions with the Indian expansionists on the one hand and the
horrible exploitation and oppression of feudalism, imperialism and
comprador bureaucratic capitalism on the other hand are continuing and
intensifying further. So there is severe discontent among the people.
But as there is no Maoist party there, it is not in a position to
utilize it. This is a very unfavourable aspect.
Bangladesh is one of the most poor and backward countries in the
world. The peasantry is living under the yoke of feudalism, comprador
capitalists and imperialists and is the victim of their terrible
exploitation. Along with this, the pressure and threats of the Indian
expansionist ruling classes are also continuing severely there. The
Maoist party there is facing many losses but it is trying hard to
overcome them and strengthen itself. On the whole, South Asia is facing
severe social crisis in the present world conditions and is having
favourable conditions for the revolution.
The Maoist communist party in another Asian country, the Philippines
is developing day by day and is having a strong mass base. It is
strengthening its New People’s Army and is fighting back the biggest
ever military offensive campaign of the enemy. The government’s army
there is taking along the US military advisers with it and is making
large scale attacks on the Maoists with the support of military
helicopters. But it is the government’s troops that are suffering more
casualties. The New People’s Army is winning victories by bravely
fighting back the attacks of the Special Forces.
In such circumstances, it is impossible for the Indian expansionists,
the ruling classes of the respective countries or the imperialists to
permanently suppress the Maoist, democratic, progressive, patriotic
forces and national liberation struggles in South Asia. The more they
try to suppress it, the more they will rise up. Moreover, the world
revolutionary situation is also excellent. The situation for the flaring
up of revolutionary movements all over the world is developing further.
Open: Finally, how do you assess the main
successes and failures after you held your Unity Congress in 2007? What
do you feel about the future of Indian revolution on the whole?
Ganapathi: Our Unity Congress held in January, 2007,
took up the main, immediate and central task of intensifying the
people’s war all over the country, developing guerilla war into mobile
war and developing the People’s Liberation Guerilla Army into People’s
Liberation Army (regular army) with the aim of establishing Base Areas.
As part of it, our Congress gave us many tasks such as intensifying mass
struggles, extending the movement, building and strengthening the
United Front. For the past three and half years, our entire party fought
by keeping everything at stake to fulfill these tasks basing itself
firmly among the people. In this process, we achieved some significant
successes. We faced some serious failures. We gained many valuable
experiences. We learnt some important lessons. On the whole, when we
look at our successes, we can surely say that the necessary foundation
for advancing the Indian revolution down the path of victory by gaining
more successes in future has been strengthened further.
If we look at the successes….
1. In the past three and half years, in many areas of our country a
deluge of mass struggles erupted under our party’s leadership.
Especially in Dandakaranya, Bihar, Jharkhand, West Bengal, Odisha,
Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh, people participated on a large scale in
struggles against the loot of their resources by the Indian and foreign
corporations and particularly against the displacement of adivasis.
Though the Indian ruling classes formed goonda gangs like Salwa Judum,
Sendra, Nagarik Suraksha Samiti and Harmad Bahini and perpetrated
terrible violence and atrocities on the people, they fought bravely
under our party’s leadership and with the support of our PLGA. In
Kalinganagar, Singur, Nandigram, Lalgadh, Narayanapatna, Dumka,
Polavaram, Lohandiguda, Raoghat, Pallamad and many other places people
mobilized on a large scale and participated in struggles. Nandigram,
Lalgadh and Narayanapatna came to the fore as new models of mass
struggles. In the various programmes we took up on political issues, we
mobilized lakhs of people. People responded greatly to our political
programme of boycotting the elections to various state assemblies and
the parliament. In our movement areas, people boycotted elections on a
huge scale and brought to the fore very strongly the need for people’s
political power. As part of Operation Green Hunt carried on with
coordination between the central and state governments since mid-2009,
people were massacred. In spite of it, thousands of oppressed people,
especially the adivasis and women participated in several programmes
against state repression and on various political issues in
Dandakaranya, Bihar-Jharkhand, West Bengal and Odisha and Andhra
Pradesh.
2. Another important victory is the emergence of people’s democratic
political power at a primary level and its strengthening and extension
as an alternative to the state system of the feudal, comprador
bureaucratic bourgeoisie, run with the support of the imperialists. In
our main guerilla zones of Dandakaranya and Bihar-Jharkhand,
Revolutionary People’s Committees (RPCs) have been formed and are
functioning. They are strengthening and extending. In Lalgadh and
Narayanapatna which have newly emerged on the political scene of our
country, the people’s power organizations which were formed at a primary
level by having people’s development at the core even amidst severe
enemy offensive have attracted the attention of the people of our
country. They overthrew the rule of the local exploiting classes and are
running people’s rule at a primary level. These new political power
organs are working in the spheres of education, health, sanitation,
water facilities and agriculture development etc having people’s real
development as their aim. They are a great inspiration to the oppressed
people, the democratic organizations and intellectuals all over the
country. They are coming to the fore as the genuine people’s alternative
system. As an answer to the fake development model of the exploiters,
these new political power organs are bringing forth a genuine
development model of the people.
3. In the past three and half years, the guerilla warfare intensified
and is continuing at a higher level. Our people’s guerillas conducted
valiant attacks on the police, paramilitary and commando forces that are
resorting to endless atrocities and violence and massacring people to
accomplish the interests of the exploiting classes. Our guerillas
eliminated hundreds of mercenary troops and seized hundreds of modern
weapons and ammunition and improved our armoury. The guerilla war going
on under our leadership is giving inspiration and self-confidence to the
people. Defending the people’s political power which is developing at a
primary level and defending the lives and properties of the people, our
people’s army had emerged as the real saviour of the people. Though the
enemy is carrying on many suppression campaigns, implementing carpet
security by deploying lakhs of police and paramilitary forces and
carrying on attacks continuously, with the active support of the people
our PLGA is growing ever more.
4. Particularly, when we observe from our Unity Congress onwards, the
emergence of our party on the political scene of the country as a major
alternative political force is another significant success. People
increasingly understand that our political line is correct. Now,
citizens of our country are showing more interest in knowing about our
stands and solutions regarding many problems faced by our country. For
the past 63 years people are frustrated with the bankrupt politics of
the various exploiting ruling class parties, revisionists who call
themselves left parties and the Hindu religious chauvinists. It is now
clearly seen that they are getting increasingly influenced by the
politics of Maoists and moving nearer to it than in the past. We believe
that this would serve as an assurance for the formation of a strong,
broad and countrywide united front in the future.
Along with these main successes, we had faced some serious failures and losses too. The main ones are…
1. As we had lost leadership forces in the enemy attack we faced
serious losses. After completion of our party Congress, a considerable
number of our CC members were caught by the enemy and were either killed
in fake encounters or put in jails. This is the very big hindrance we
are facing in achieving our goals. No doubt, this would have a grave
impact on the Indian revolution.
2. Due to the severe offensive of the enemy and our failure in
understanding it properly, formulating proper counter tactics and
implementing them, we were weakened in some areas and we retreated from
some areas.
These are our main successes and failures. Meanwhile, the living
conditions of the working class in our country are increasingly becoming
worse. The peasantry is increasingly becoming penniless due to the
policies imposed by the feudal and imperialist exploiters and are
resorting to suicides in lakhs. In the name of new policies, the
penetration of foreign capital into the fields of education, health,
industry, defence, transport, media, trade etc has intensified. The
exploitation, oppression and control of the imperialists increased to an
unprecedented level since 1947. Severe repression is continuing on the
Kashmir and North-East people who are fighting for their national
liberation and right to self-determination including the right to
secession. Due to the policies followed by the Indian expansionists by
colluding with the US imperialists, they are bitterly hated by the
people of South Asia. The socially most oppressed sections of dalits,
adivasis, women and religious minorities that constitute are suffering
from several problems. The state is unleashing terror on those forces
which are fighting against these problems. Civil rights are becoming
completely absent. None of the basic problems of the people are in a
position to be solved in this present setup. The announcement by the
Prime Minister that we would become a strong economic force in the 21st
century and would achieve a two-digit economic growth is a big sham.
While corporations belonging to the likes of Ambani, Tata, Mittal,
Jindal and Essar are amassing enormous wealth and increasing their
‘development’ rate at a rapid pace, they are throwing the vast masses
into the whirlpool of insufferable poverty, hunger, unemployment etc.
When we examine all these problems, it would become increasingly
clear that the fundamental contradictions in our country, i.e., the
contradiction between feudalism and the vast masses, between imperialism
and Indian people, between capital and labour and the contradiction
among the ruling classes are intensifying further. Our party is
advancing forward with an attitude of taking up the problems of the
people. Our political line lays emphasis on the solution to these
problems. We believe that the Indian revolutionary movement would
advance down the victory path only through the People’s War waged under
our party leadership while strengthening our people’s army with the aim
of establishing Base Areas and the United Front formed by uniting all
these forces under the leadership of the proletariat. We also believe
that its future would depend on how this process advances. On the whole
we are looking at the future of the Indian revolutionary movement with
great optimism.
Our party is serving as a beacon of hope for the oppressed masses of
our country. In the midst of this decadent, corrupt and loathed system
our party shines like a bright star. We are not at all saying that we
have ready made solutions to all the complexities existing in the world
revolution and the Indian revolution. But we have a correct political
line. We are confident that we can solve all these problems in a process
of making the new democratic revolution a success as the first step
towards socialism and communism. We believe that all the problems faced
by the society can be solved in the light of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism.
Likewise we will learn from international experiences too. We will apply
Marxist-Leninist-Maoist ideology to the concrete practice of Indian
revolution. We will fight dogmatism and empiricism which raise their
head in practice. We will firmly adhere to mass line and dedicate
ourselves to fulfill the aspirations and hopes of our people. We will
determinedly fight the left and right opportunist trends and revisionism
which may crop up in our party and in the international communist
movement. However, there are chances for mistakes and accidents to
happen in the process of revolution. So, we would accept our mistakes
with a genuine self-critical attitude and humility. We will correct our
mistakes. We will advance in the path of revolution till the final
victory in this great war waged to establish a society where there is no
scope for hunger, injustice, poverty, illiteracy, unemployment, price
rise, displacement, untouchability, discrimination, social evils etc by
liberating our beloved country from the exploitation and oppression of
feudalism, imperialism and comprador bureaucratic capitalism. Our party
has emerged out of the innumerable sacrifices of our cadres and leaders.
They lay down their lives unflinchingly for people’s democracy and
communism. These selfless, exemplary martyrs are the ray of hope in our
society. We will definitely hold high their esteemed revolutionary
tradition. We will establish their lofty human values in this society.
We will steer clear of avoidable losses and display communist
consciousness, courage, determination and sacrifice to fight back the
cruel enemy. In this process, our party would steel itself in the flames
of class struggle.
Many areas have already developed into guerilla zones in our country.
In many areas people’s state power came into existence in an embryonic
form. The PLGA is growing in strength and capacity. Guerilla war is
intensifying. This new power is developing as the primary form of a new
democratic state. But in comparison with the more than 110 crores of our
population and the vastness of our country, our party is very small. We
have to travel very far. True, the path is thorny. But if we continue
in the revolutionary path, the future would brighten a lot.
Contrary to the parliamentary parties and all kinds of reformist
organizations, the CPI (Maoist) which is based on a cadre that has
unflinching faith in their aim, a sacrificing nature and dedication is
shining like a bright sun, lighting up all the darkness surrounding our
country. Indian people want revolution. They are advancing in the path
of People’s War for building a new society. The dawn of New Democratic
revolution is unfolding. Let us march into the bright sunlight of the
new society which is unfolding on the horizon.